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Noa Tishby: if you have a subconscious bias against the Jewish people, it’s going to affect your opinion about Israel,

Jay Ruderman: Jay Ruderman: Hi, I’m Jay Ruderman and welcome to All About Change, a podcast showcasing individuals who leverage the hardships that have been thrown at them to better other people’s lives.

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Jay Ruderman: And today on our show, Noa Tishby.

Noa Tishby: You grow up in Israel, you grow up with zero antisemitism. Like you just, you’re the majority. Like you’re not, you grow up with zero antisemitism, you learn all about the Holocaust, and you literally kind of like conclude, The humanity must have moved on from this insanity..

Jay Ruderman: Noa Tishby is an actress, author, producer, and activist. Raised in a secular family in Israel she wasn’t really exposed to Anti-semitism. A chance encounter on a  trip to Greece in her teens, offered her a rude awakening.

Noa Tishby: that was the first time that I experienced holocaust denial and distortion, right? I didn’t know that there’s a term for that.

Jay Ruderman: Inspired, Tishby decided to take action. She became an advocate and founded the first Israel-focused online advocacy and rapid response organization, Act For Israel, becoming a powerful voice for Israel and the Middle East.

Noa Tishby: there’s a disproportionate obsession that people have with the state of Israel that is by far exceeding any obsession with any other country that is actually horrific,

Jay Ruderman: After years of advocating for Israel, both publicly and privately. She decided to put her understanding and experience to pen in her first book – “Israel: a simple Guide to the Most Misunderstood Country on Earth.”

Noa Tishby: the more open we are, the more inclusive we are, the more like, the more love that’s gonna be out there and the less room for hate there will be.

Jay Ruderman: Noah Tishbi, thank you so much for being my guest in all about change.

Noa Tishby: Thank you.

Jay Ruderman: really looking forward to this discussion. Obviously it hits home for me and my family. Let me ask you first off about yourself. You were raised in a secular family, with a deep history to Israel and in including, family members who are founders of the state of Israel, and you ended up in entertainment. Can you tell us how that happened?

Noa Tishby: So I talk about this extensively in, in my book. Um, and I apologize if, if some of your listeners have listened to the book already, so I don’t wanna repeat myself. But I grew up in Israel, in Tel Aviv, uh, in a very kind of like secular liberal. Super, super Zionist family, and it was one of those things that was in the backdrop of my life my entire time.

But I didn’t actually give it that much attention. Honestly, it was kind of like the water I swam in. My, grandmother was one of the founders of the first kibbutz in Israel, and therefore the first. Kibbutz in the world, Ghana. My, uh, great grandfather moved to Jerusalem in 1922 to start the Indu, the ministry of industry and trade.

So he brought into Jerusalem, into the oldies. Sh like a lot of the industry, who’s a huge proponent of. There’s never gonna be a Jewish state without Jewish industry. And my grandfather was Israel’s, not only Israel’s first ambassador to Ghana, Liberia, Nigeria, ivory Coast. He was, he was literally the first ambassador, the first representative that the state of Israel sent to the entire continent of Africa.

Um, it was in 1956, um, before Ghana became, uh, Ghana, when it was still Gold Coast So it was one of those things that was just like, that was, these were the stories in the household. This is how I was raised, this is how I was, I, this, I was brought up and I didn’t see it as anything unique at all. And I went into the entertainment industry and did really well.

I went in as a, as a child actor, basically in musicals as a teen and. Did really well and was like, to me, this was all about, this was who I am. I I was right. I was like a liberal person of the world, actor and singer and, and all of that. And it wasn’t until I moved to America and started experiencing antisemitism in anti-Israel and Zionist sentiments that I.

Yeah, as my mom says, my DNA kicked in and I just couldn’t shut up. I just couldn’t shut up. So I, I knew that this is the most important thing that I can do. fighting against antisemitism, fighting for the Jewish people, and fighting for the state of Israel. Like everything that I’ve done up until now prepared me for this.

And two years ago my book came out. It’s called Israel, A Simple Guide To the Most Misunderstood Country On Earth. It’s basically a simple explainer when people don’t know anything about Israel or know a lot about it and wanna kind of refresh themselves. It’s the first book of its kind to make the story of Israel easy to understand,

Jay Ruderman: Why did you decide to go to LA and, and, and go to Hollywood?

Noa Tishby: I had an urge to live in America since I was a young kid. Again, I didn’t know at the time why, to me it was I wanted to become a famous actress and singer, and I did well, right? And I did amazing as a producer. But this is not why I need to live in America and not in Israel. The reason I need to live in America and not in Israel is to do the work that I do now.

Jay Ruderman: you’ve spoken about, that when you were living in Israel, you didn’t think that there was such a thing as antisemitism, that it was gone, that maybe it went out with the Holocaust. then you go to la you talk about some of the instances that you had? In the entertainment industry or just living in Los Angeles, where all of a sudden you said, whoa, this is a real thing out there, antisemitism is alive and well.

Noa Tishby: You grow up in Israel, you grow up with zero antisemitism. Like you just, you’re the majority. Like you’re not, you grow up with zero antisemitism, you learn all about the Holocaust, and you literally kind of like conclude, The humanity must have moved on from this insanity, this mental illness called antisemitism. Um, The first incident that I. Had was I was 17 years old and I was in a boat on my way to, in Greece on my way from Athens to this island called eos.

And I was, there was a, a, a very kind of like cute young guy who started chatting me up and, We were like talking and walking on the deck and midnight and this beautiful Mediterranean August moon, and we started talking and he says to me, he, we say, you know, he’s like, he asked me where am I from? I said, from Israel.

I said, where are you from? He said, Germany. And I saw his face change and he kind of became, when he heard I’m from Israel, he kinda went quiet and went a little weird. And I’m trying to lighten things up and I’m like, oh, are you. Being weird about our nation’s past because it was like, you know, we’ve been through so much and we’ve learned so much from it.

And like, look at how beautifully we’ve moved on and learned from what had happened to make sure that it doesn’t happen again. And the guy looks me straight in the eye and he goes, well, you know, it’s not a hundred percent certain that it actually happened. There are a lot of books that say that it didn’t, and even if it did, you guys took all the money that we gave you and you used it for your wars,

Jay Ruderman: Wow.

Noa Tishby: and that was the first time that I experienced holocaust denial and distortion, right? I didn’t know that there’s a term for that. I was blown away. And remember, I’m 17 years old. I’m like, just finished 11th grade. I have no idea how to respond, respond to this. I just look at him like kind of shocked and I just walked away, extract myself. I went to my girlfriend and I’m like, this is insane.

What is he, what, what is that? Again? Not even knowing what this was. Um, so that was the first thing that I’ve experienced and the biggest thing that I’ve experienced. Experience in LA and specifically in Hollywood is anti-Israel or lack of understanding about Israel. So it wasn’t so much about anti-Semitism because honestly there are a lot of Jewish people that work in Hollywood, which is not to say that the Jews control Hollywood. Two very different things. a lot of Jewish people work in Hollywood. True Jewish control of Hollywood. I’m still looking for that. I would love for this to be true, but it, you know,

Jay Ruderman: not,

Noa Tishby: Sadly, listen, I would love to, I wish we’d have as much power as they give us. They credit us from so much power. It’s amazing. But the lack of understanding about Israel is the thing that shocked me the most in Hollywood, which actually propelled me eventually to write my book.

Jay Ruderman: So sort of this benign, like, oh, uh, do you guys ride on camels and, and um, you know, live in tents or was it more like sinister, like, you know, oh, well, aren’t you guys oppressors and a colonial, uh, empire?

Noa Tishby: of the above. All of the above. All of the above. Like, oh, how come you don’t have an accent? Oh, how come you’re modern and not wearing a headgear? Oh, you guys are so horrible to the blah, blah, blah. And like, you know, every single trope, misunderstanding. every single one when it comes to Israel, every single one.

And the thing that shocked me the most, um, was again, the, the reason that I wanted to write this book is because the of the difference between like how little people knew about Israel and the strong opinions that they had about it. So I’m like, well, fun and game. You don’t have to know anything about like, I don’t know anything about the Bali Right.

Or Denmark governance system. Right. But I’m not gonna be opinionated about it and tweet about it up a storm and pretend like I know what I’m talking about. And when it comes to Israel, people allow themselves to not know what they’re talking about, but for the sake of virtue signaling, they feel the need to talk about it.

Jay Ruderman: So how, how did you, like you, you are trying to establish yourself in the industry in Los Angeles and how did you begin to respond to people when they were talking about the country you’re from, but talking in ways that you knew were, were blatantly false.

Noa Tishby: Couldn’t shut up.

Jay Ruderman: Yeah.

Noa Tishby: It’s more than like a political calculation it’s where my family lives, know what I mean? So it’s like, I can’t shut up, I can’t just let it slide. Oh, people have this misconception about Israel and they’re saying these, you know, anti-Zionist tropes and I’m just gonna let it go. I can’t let it go. So I would find myself drawing maps. On napkins at restaurants and getting into, uh, heated arguments with like people who are just like blatant anti-Zionists. and say that they’re not anti-Semitic. And I would just find myself, my Israeli attitude would take over my American attitude and I’d be like, slightly, There was one situation with one specific friend who’s not a friend anymore, and when the book was coming out and I was giving interviews and I said, anti Zionism is anti-Semitism. He texted me and he said, if you’re gonna continue saying that, I’m not gonna be able, you’re not gonna be able to have me in your life anymore.

and there was one specific, discussion, heated discussion that we had in in Utah. and he was talking about, it’s a, it’s a little vignette story that didn’t make it to the book at the end.

He was talking about, he just came back from the Dakotas and he planted himself with the, the tribes there that were fighting the pipeline, the oil pipeline. And he was talking about, indigenous rights. Right. Indigenous people’s rights and being very passionate about helping, uh, native Americans, which I’m all for, and being extraordinarily passionate about this and like, you know, talking crap about colonialism and, you know, whatever.

Just like talking up indigenous people’s rights. And I just basically came one time and I was like, babe, by the same token, I was like, what? What? How do you define indigenous? Indigenous indi ingenuity? What’s your definition? And he is like, well, anybody that has history or like written or oral to a place, you know?

And I’m like, how many years are you? We talking about like 200, 500 years, a thousand, 2000. How many years are we looking at? And I’m like, setting a trap for him, basically. Right? And he is like, well, as long as history, you know, for as long as we, you know, whatever, we can look back. And I just looked at him and I was like, then by the same token, who are the indigenous people of the land of Israel?

Jay Ruderman: Right, and I think that that most Israelis, I. Are in favor of having Palestinian autonomy

Noa Tishby: If there would’ve been a sense within Israeli people that there’s a partner for a state and we’re not gonna get Hamas instead of the pa, then no question. This would’ve been solved by now. The problem is that the precedent had shown that, some, you know, up until now it hasn’t worked, but we’re holding hopes high.

Jay Ruderman: So let me bring it, you know, very, you know, concentrated that about antisemitism. You know, antisemitism has been around as long as Jews have been around,

Noa Tishby: Yes. It’s the oldest form of hate and discrimination that’s still being practiced today.

Jay Ruderman: Right. How does antisemitism, which has always been with the Jewish people, and by the way, is not a Jewish problem, but is a non-Jewish problem. But how does that get transferred into anti-Zionism?

Noa Tishby: I’m gonna use an example given to me by, or that I saw my friend Yo c Klein Levy use; Jose Klein Levy said in one of his talks, he said that throughout history, the Jew, quote unquote right, the Jew was always used in order to describe whatever it is that’s most lo Suma society at any given moment.

So in the early days of Christianity, the Jew was the Christ killer. later on in the Nazism, the Jew was the ultimate, the race polluter. Uh, in the days of communism, the Jew was the capitalist pig or the communist. Depends on who you’re asking, right? So it was the Jew, there was always like, whatever’s bad in the world, who is it?

It’s the Jew. So it’s like a changing kind of definition throughout history, but it’s always pinged on the Jew in recent years. What are the worst things to be in a polite society these days? It is to be racist, to be colonialist, and to be an apartheid. And lo and behold, who is to blame for all these horrific traits, if not the Jewish state? Jewish state became like the Jew of the world, and people don’t understand that they’re pegging onto Israel. The same tropes that have been pegged on Jews. For generations. So it’s either a neutro, like, you know, being a racist nowadays it’s the worst thing. And like, oh, Zionists are racist. Right? So there is that. And there’s also like, Israel’s killing Palestinian children is the Jew killing Christian children of like a thousand years ago. It’s literally the same. You just changed the word Jew to the word Zionist. And it’s the same. And people, a lot of people actually believe that and they don’t see that they have conflated these two, these two things.

They just don’t see it. And we have all, we’ve all kind of seen our subconscious biases, right? We all know that we carry them and we have them about like the other, whatever the other is, we have them, you know, whether it’s, you know, any kind of other ethnicity we have kind of like an immediate response to what we think about that ethnicity, and people have the same subconscious bias when it comes to the Jewish people.

They think that the Jews have, you know, it’s Jewish power and Jewish control and Jewish control. Holy and the banks and the money and the blah, blah, blah, blah, right? So if you have a subconscious bias around against the Jewish people, it’s going to affect your opinion about Israel, whether you know it or not, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Jay Ruderman: I wanna take you back to the start of the explosion of social media. And if you could just tell your experience of how that propelled you in, into really being the activist that you are today.

Noa Tishby: How propelled how social media did.

Jay Ruderman: How, how social media, particularly in, in 2010 and, and you related an incident. Um, with the Turkish flotilla, which I don’t know if all the audience is gonna understand, but, but that you saw Israel trending in Turkish on social media and, and, and the Israeli government really had no idea how to work social media at the time.

Noa Tishby: No, they didn’t. Um, they, there was, yeah, there was nothing. So that, Was another pivotal moment in my activism. the reason I feel like I’m, the work that I’m doing is, is resonating with a lot of people and the book and all that is because I’ve been doing this work for the better part of the last, like 10, 15 years, right?

So I’ve been, I’ve been in the, in the trenches in this for a very, very long time. So I. Was, it was, uh, I was on, social media was just starting, so Twitter was just starting and I was, it was like the night and I was about to go to bed and I kind of like went on Twitter for a second and on my desktop and browsing, Twitter, and I suddenly saw that the word Israel was trending.

In like the Turkish language. And I already knew at the time about the Shitsville that Israel’s PR is, so I’m like, this can’t be good. What is happening here? I, so I read through this and I saw that there was a, an attempt at the time, um, there were a lot of rockets falling on Israel from Gaza as, as always, and the.

Israeli government and the, Egyptian government has enacted a blockade on Gaza in order to prevent from rockets from coming in and prevent them from throwing rockets on, on Israel. And there was a Turkish flotilla, a bunch of boats that were, um, a leaving a port in Turkey to break the blockade in Gaza.

The Israeli government tried to stop them and ask them to, they were essentially saying that they’re bringing, um, goods into Gaza. The Israeli government said it’s fine. We’re still, there’s still goods going into Gaza. Like, we’re not starving Gaza. We’re just basically trying to prevent rockets from going in and out and like cement and, and stuff like, so we’re checking everything that’s going in because they’re building like tack tunnels and throwing rockets at us.

Um, they asked to check the goods. They refuse, they asked to stop the, the. Boats at the ash port. They refused. Uh, after a few attempts, they asked the boats to stop on the way the boats didn’t stop, and the Israeli command and Marine Command aborted these boats, and they were greeted by pkk, uh, terror terrorists, basically, that are connected to Hamas that attacked the soldiers with iron rods.

And there was like a, and try to take their guns and all of that. So they didn’t, they know, they didn’t come to like, you know, chill out. They came, they came to fight. And, uh, nine. Activists were, or like terrorists were, were killed at the time. Uh, the 10th one was killed later, but what was coming out on Twitter was that Israel just kind of out of the blue boarded.

The love boat and started shooting people in discriminatory, right? And I’m looking at it and I’m like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This can’t be the, this can’t be the truth. This can’t be what happened. And I’m realizing that a story was emerging about how Israel’s killing people for no reason. And it’s taking like, it’s, it’s catching on fire, on social media.

And that’s when I realized that Israel’s completely exposed when it comes to this new realm. And that’s where I found another group of activists like me online. And we formed the first online advocacy and rapid response organization dedicated to Israel and Pro-Israel, um, truths basically. And we started, briefing.

NGOs and Jewish organizations and the Israeli, the idf and the people in the government, and had a bunch of meetings with a bunch of public officials and, and gave them all the stats, which at the time were shocking to them. And including the ministry like the, the IDF spokesman, which I sat with and had a conversation with, and they completely overhauled and changed the entire way that the IDF does social media because of that, because of that meeting.

So I was there. I was one of the first ones to be there. Sadly, it’s. Only getting worse because numbers wise we’re, we’re, it’s a losing proposition, right? We we’re so little, such a small amount of Jews in the world that we’re drowning in social media.

Noa Tishby Testament Exert: Recent research have found that between 73.6 and 84% of online antisemitism takes the form of anti-Israel hatred. Accusation that Israel is a blood thirsty, genocidal state that must be destroyed, are not just wrong and misguided. They are the modern day blood liable, and we need to fight them accordingly. The numbers are not in our favors. There are less than 15 million Jews in the world. That number is dwarfed by the following of social media influencers demonizing Israel for likes and for shares.

Social media platforms need to do the right thing. As Ambassador Stet said, live up to their own standards. I call on them to reevaluate and update their hate speech definition to call denying the Jewish people’s right to self-determination what it is to call portraying Israel as some kind of a mythical evil what it is, and that is modern antisemitism.

We need a campaign of education and advocacy so that social media influencers and the platforms that host them understand what it is that they’re perpetuating.

Jay Ruderman: why do you think that people who have very little knowledge about the conflict between Israel or the Jews and Arabs, in the Middle East, why are they so vehement in their opinions when they’re, when their knowledge base is so minimal?

Noa Tishby: Again, Israel became, became some sort of a, of a virtue signal. Like And to me, this is so frustrating because there’s so many things that activists can do with their power that would actually help the Palestinian people and help the Israelis and Palestinians reach a peace agreement. None of these things have to do with bashing Israel and that’s all that it is.

It’s like I’m gonna virtue signal that I’m a greatest person in the world and I’m gonna do this is just by tweeting against Israel. And again, differentiating between criticizing Israeli government policies or politicians or whatever, which I know how to do very well as well, to denying Israel’s right to [00:21:47] Jay Ruderman: exist, demonizing Israel, double standard about Israel and everything that kind of like sends you into like the antisemitic, realms without knowing it.

I think it’s very funny that here, like in America, um, we may not like our political leadership, whether it be Trump or Biden or whoever it might be, but you don’t hear many Americans saying. Oh, well, you know, because of this leadership, I don’t identify with the country and, and also I’ve never heard anyone say, like, for example, I live in Massachusetts.

I’ve never heard anyone say I should give up my house and move out of here, because back before even the British came to America, this was Native American land and, and I should leave here. So people who are very quick to say, I think the Jews are colonialists. I think Israel’s a colonial, you know, entity, which it’s not, but they’re, but you know, they’re saying, especially, you know, we can talk about the BDS movement and, and people like, you know, Bella Hadid saying, you know, from, you know, uh, from the river to the sea;

BDS Background: BDS stands for boycott, divestment and Sanctions, and it is a movement that tries to isolate Israel from the international community by encouraging, uh, consumer boycotts of, uh, Israeli goods, sanctions by governments and divestment by institutions in the West to basically pull their money out of Israel, not do business with Israel. 

Jay Ruderman: but no one’s saying from the Atlantic to the Pacific. You know, we have to, we have to get outta here. Everyone, every American who’s not a Native American, you don’t hear that. So why, so why Israel?

Noa Tishby: That’s the double standard that we’re talking about. That’s exactly it. There’s a, there’s a disproportionate obsession that people have with the state of Israel that is by far exceeding any obsession with any other country that is actually horrific, and that that disproportionate obsession is rooted in anti-Semitic attitudes that could be subconscious for people as well.

BDS Background: On the face of it, these tactics are legitimate way to conduct, uh, nonviolent legal political campaigns, um, and they have a long tradition in not just left wing politics of using boycotts to try and affect change in foreign government. but as with everything in life, things are a little bit more complicated. If you look beneath the surface, once you start to look at who are the organizations behind this BDS strategy, who are the leaders of the movements? What do they say about Israel? What do they actually want? What you find more often than not, Is that there is an overarching political vision that doesn’t include Israel’s existence in the future.

Noa Tishby: So, bds, the organizers, the heads of the movement, they don’t hide the fact that they tried to dismantle Israel. So they say this are videos online of the founder of BDS that’s saying flat out like, yes, we don’t want a Jewish state in any parts of the land. So they want to dismantle a democratic Jewish state. Okay, but that’s not what they say on campus. So when they go to campus, they put a very sweet little table up and they start talking about freedom and justice.

They don’t talk about the fact that they wanna dismantle a democracy. And obviously if they would sit down at this tabling event in a college and say, let’s dismantle the single Jewish democracy in the world, they’re not gonna be as popular. So they’re able to bring into the fold, Groups, people and organizations that don’t really understand what it is that they’re supporting.

BDS Background: Most of people, for them to carry out acts of mass violence, they need an ideology. They’re not psychopaths only the only few humans are. So for people to be violent, to carry out a genocide, they need to believe that what they’re about to do is good, and there is no greater good in this world than their eradication of evil. 

If you create an intellectual mindset that says, Israel, Zionism starve David equals evil, you are basically creating a global invitation to mass violence. You are saying, look, there’s an evil out there. Do whatever you can by whatever means necessary. To eradicate this evil – Zionism is the stumbling block, is the thing that stands between the world and utopia.

If only we didn’t have Zionism. It’s about an image, creating an image where there is a world without Israel. And then we can say, isn’t it a much nicer world? Look, look at the un. Look at fifa. Wouldn’t they be so much nicer without Israel? And this is why this movement is so dangerous. It is a nonviolent movement for an extremely violent purpose.

Noa Tishby: A big part of that is that they were able to infiltrate social justice organizations and use intersectionality in order to basically lie their their ways. Into it, and create a very powerful and painful rift between the Jewish and the black community that have never existed before. The Jewish people that have stood by the black community and vice versa for. Decades and in recent years there’s a rift. we are working very hard to undo that. it was created in order to divide us because you know, who’s winning when the blacks and the Jews are divided, but the white oppressors that they’re trying to, those, again, those win and hopefully we’ll be able to realign because it’s crucial that we do that.

Jay Ruderman: for critics who will say to you or to others that antisemitism is being overused, that every time someone says something about Israel, they’re accused as of being anti-Semitic.

Noa Tishby: It’s crap. It’s like complaining about, you know, after Me Too complaining about I can’t give a compliment to a woman. Yes, you can. We know the context, we understand, On the other hand, if somebody says, you know what? I don’t like this Israeli government policy, or that Israeli government policy, nobody’s gonna attack him and say that he’s anti-Semitic.

So we know the difference. We’re smarter than that. We know the difference and we know that when there’s like an anti-Israel or a a BDS organization that is quote unquote just criticizing Israeli government, we know where you’re coming from. We know that you’re anti-Semitic. We know that you wanna dismantle the state of Israel, and if you wanna dismantle the state of Israel, that’s an antisemitic thing to do.

So we know the difference. It’s okay. Listen, I myself have have, have recently criticized one specific proposed policy of the Israeli government. Nobody is gonna accuse me of antisemitism or anti-Zionism.

Jay Ruderman: Right, exactly. for those listeners, what advice would you give them? To combat antisemitism, um, you know, both Jewish and non-Jewish. What, what, what should they be doing in real time today?

Noa Tishby: that’s a great question as well. So I think that for the non-Jewish community it’s important to reach out, be an ally, cuz one of the things that I sense with my friends and colleagues and family and all that is when there’s like a spike in antisemitism, we don’t get the support that we feel like we give sometimes or that we feel like we need.

So I know that a lot of people are like legitimately freaked out by. Antisemitism that’s out there, and it’s very easy to just, uh, pick up the phone and ask, uh, how you doing? and the second part for the, for the Jewish community, I think that the only way for us to combat antisemitism is to be more rooted in our Jewish identity and more loud about it, more proud about it, and more open about it. So I always say to communities, when I talk to people, I’m like, the best thing that you can do is reach out to your community.

Like literally you’re like, Yoga friends and your colleagues at work, at the office and like your, you know, and your mom’s at school, and like, invite them for Shabbat. Be more, the more open we are, the more inclusive we are, the more like, the more love that’s gonna be out there and the less room for hate there will be.

That’s like, that’s literally the only way to do it.

Jay Ruderman: such an important message. Well, Noah Tpi, thank you so much. For being my guest on, on All About change, I wanna urge all my guests to pick up a copy of Israel, A Simple Guide to the most misunderstood country on Earth. Wherever you buy books or audio books, it’s a must read. Um, thank you for writing it.

Thank you for your activism and it was great talking to you.

Noa Tishby: Great to talk to you as well,

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